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Fellow thinkers, I'd like to discuss some simple gibberish with you- take a moment to read and respond will you?
Now, chronology and time in general, is something that piques my interest. Telling the passage of time seems easy enough with our current chronometry. History, memory, all documented by others for years and what we see stored in our own minds- but! 'time is relative as is everything else' is something that springs to mind with me. When you fall asleep, where in the world goes your sense of time? Know of any interesting articles or books relating to this subject folks? And for those interested:
William S. Burroughs on Dreams
Now, chronology and time in general, is something that piques my interest. Telling the passage of time seems easy enough with our current chronometry. History, memory, all documented by others for years and what we see stored in our own minds- but! 'time is relative as is everything else' is something that springs to mind with me. When you fall asleep, where in the world goes your sense of time? Know of any interesting articles or books relating to this subject folks? And for those interested:
William S. Burroughs on Dreams
Time is specifically bound physical circumstances such as the rotation of the earth around the sun, and an 'allotted' number of heartbeats (it and other parts of the body where out). The former circumstance would be altered in space, but the latter only by technology, but the key here would maintaining the brain, the most complex 'organ' lest susceptible to technological improvement or replacement.
However, you raise an interesting point. 'When you fall asleep, where in the world goes your sense of time?' As many do, I believe there is a 'more real world' beyond this one, whether it be Plato's realm of forms or the Mind of God or something else (not knowing for sure what it is, or if it really exists, and having no 'real world' point of reference, we have to cal it something), it is the 'world' we enter when we dream. This world is bound be neither time nor space. What I conclude from this is that time is a function of physicality, and I believe (as Buddha did) that physicality is a functional illusion.
However, you raise an interesting point. 'When you fall asleep, where in the world goes your sense of time?' As many do, I believe there is a 'more real world' beyond this one, whether it be Plato's realm of forms or the Mind of God or something else (not knowing for sure what it is, or if it really exists, and having no 'real world' point of reference, we have to cal it something), it is the 'world' we enter when we dream. This world is bound be neither time nor space. What I conclude from this is that time is a function of physicality, and I believe (as Buddha did) that physicality is a functional illusion.
Good show on the description of time, man. While I don't share your belief of another world beyond this one, perception of physicality and time as we know it seems to be wholly based on the senses; there doesn't appear to be a universal common ground for determining what's real or not indeed.
The world 'bound to neither time nor space' you're referring to reminded me of thought in itself at first, but then again, thoughts are the result of synaptic transmissions, and those take time and are bound to your brain. It makes sense not being able to tell the passage of time while your consciousness is 'shut down' during sleep, dreams being simply a necessary part of your (sub)conscious brain activity, methinks.
How you would be able to tell that this Plato's realm wouldn't be bound to time and space?
Also lol @ my shitty pseudo-query/aimless rant from a year ago
The world 'bound to neither time nor space' you're referring to reminded me of thought in itself at first, but then again, thoughts are the result of synaptic transmissions, and those take time and are bound to your brain. It makes sense not being able to tell the passage of time while your consciousness is 'shut down' during sleep, dreams being simply a necessary part of your (sub)conscious brain activity, methinks.
How you would be able to tell that this Plato's realm wouldn't be bound to time and space?
Also lol @ my shitty pseudo-query/aimless rant from a year ago
Yeah, just came across it and thought why not.
As for Plato's realm, I don't know that it is not, but given my understanding of his meaning, I would guess it is not, because I cannot see how the perfect form or idea could be bound by time and space and still be perfect. For me this the one constant of this 'illustionary world' is decay.
I don't believe that thought is solely 'the result of synaptic transmissions' (can't say for sure why). I also don't accept a purely empirical view of the world because our empirical knowledge of the world is always expanding. Since it's always expanding, I know that whatever I think will at some point be updated, and so therefore I simply accept that my understanding of the world will always be inferior and that I will never understand the limits. I just know that it is 'bigger' that what my senses can detect.
As for Plato's realm, I don't know that it is not, but given my understanding of his meaning, I would guess it is not, because I cannot see how the perfect form or idea could be bound by time and space and still be perfect. For me this the one constant of this 'illustionary world' is decay.
I don't believe that thought is solely 'the result of synaptic transmissions' (can't say for sure why). I also don't accept a purely empirical view of the world because our empirical knowledge of the world is always expanding. Since it's always expanding, I know that whatever I think will at some point be updated, and so therefore I simply accept that my understanding of the world will always be inferior and that I will never understand the limits. I just know that it is 'bigger' that what my senses can detect.
I'm a little surprised that no one ever responded to this, but it may be because dreams, with their (properly) oneiric logic that proceeds by association instead of deduction, demand either a totally non-rational (though not irrational) approach, or else so technical and specialized a vocabulary and such a knowledge of neuroscience, that discussion is very difficult.
Aye. I'll have to find me some literature dealing with the subject. Good work creating this group!
Here, folks are developing their white matter-
Here, folks are developing their white matter-
Well, maybe. I try, sometimes. Right now I need to work on developing my green matter...